We Hear: BBDO Will Try to Repair Wells Fargo’s Reputation in Wake of Account Fraud Scandal

In case you missed it, banking brand Wells Fargo has taken something of a beating in the arena of public opinion due to a scandal involving millions of fake savings and checking accounts created by employees in response to alleged performance pressures.

Earlier this month, the Federal Reserve also punished the company by effectively restricting its ability to grow until it makes changes to its board of directors.

And just this week, Senator Elizabeth Warren chided the company’s relatively new CEO Tim Sloan for admitting that the company had “charged nearly 600,000 customers for auto insurance they didn’t need,” “improperly charged 110,000 customers fees to extend their mortgage rate locks,” and “bungled its reimbursements to the auto loan and mortgage rate lock customers.”

This was all after the fake account issue had seemingly been resolved.

Now, we hear that the company is turning to a familiar party for help: its ad agency of record, BBDO San Francisco.

According to our sources, the shop plans to launch a new campaign with “a multi-million dollar budget” that is specifically designed to improve the bank’s reputation after more than a years’ worth of bad headlines.

Since winning the account in early 2014 (it had been with DDB for nearly 20 years), BBDO has indeed produced some surprising efforts. Its first campaign, for example, starred a real-life lesbian couple learning sign language before a touching last-minute reveal about their plans to adopt a deaf girl also played by a real-life deaf girl.

Regarding this post, a BBDO spokesperson referred us back to the client for comment. Wells Fargo representatives wrote, “We typically launch a new brand campaign every year in the Spring.  Currently, we are working through the details of our 2018 plans.”

So it’s unclear exactly how the agency will attempt to address the issues that its client has faced over the past year-plus. How would you do it?

Schafer Condon Carter Wins Fresh Thyme Farmers Market Review

Fresh Thyme Farmers Market, an Illinois-based specialty retailer once described as “a Whole Foods-Trader Joe’s hybrid,” picked nearby indie Schafer Condon Carter after a review. The agency will handle creative, PR, influencer marketing, social media and planning/buying.

The chain focuses on natural, organic and fresh food at less-than-premium prices, and it has grown since launching in 2014 to include 66 locations across 10 states.

“We knew we were ready to bring on a partner who could help us achieve the brand’s great potential, and SCC demonstrated not only a deep understanding of our brand and the consumer we serve, but also the creativity, broad integrated capabilities and passion that we were looking for,” said Fresh Thyme CMO Mark Doiron.

The chain has been in expansion mode in recent months thanks, in large part, to an investment from supermarket brand Meijer, though its plans seem to have slowed a bit since January.

In recent months, it has also named several food and retail industry veterans to its C-suite including chief financial officer Carol Okamoto, chief merchandising officer Mark Doiron and chief operations officer Dean Little.

So far, Fresh Thyme does not appear to have launched any major campaigns, growing via word of mouth and a presence in new markets. It’s not clear how much the company plans to spend on forthcoming marketing efforts.

San Francisco Giants Names 215 McCann as Agency of Record

As the first pitchers and catchers start to report to spring training the San Francisco Giants have named 215 McCann as the team’s new agency of record, following a review.

“We met with several agencies, and we connected with 215 McCann immediately,” Giants executive vice president of business operations Mario Alioto said in a statement. “We had a strong chemistry from the start and 215 McCann seemed to really understand our brand and our organization goals. The quality of their work — both strategy and creative — was equally impressive. Having worked together for a few months now, we are thrilled with our decision.”

“The Giants are widely regarded as pioneers and leaders in professional sports and throughout the community,” added 215 McCann chief creative officer Scott Duchon. “We look forward to celebrating this team that represents Bay Area values of innovation, diversity and inclusion.”

215 McCann will be tasked with launching a new campaign celebrating the MLB team’s 60th anniversary in San Francisco.

The Giants franchise pre-dates such conventions as the four-ball walk (1889) and the modern distance of the pitching mound to home plate (1893). Founded as the New York Gothams in 1883 and renamed the Giants three years later, the team stayed in New York until the 1958 season when it moved to Seals Stadium, which had been the longtime home of the Pacific Coast League’s San Francisco Seals, before spending nearly four decades in Candlestick Park. The Giants settled in their current home, AT&T Park, in 2000.

It shouldn’t be hard for 215 McCann to find events to celebrate as the Giants have had their share of recent success, winning three World Series titles since 2010, most recently on the strength of a historic World Series pitching performance by Madison Bumgarner in 2014.

Team WPP Takes Home Office Depot Gold

Team WPP won creative and media duties for Office Depot, following a review which did not include incumbent Zimmerman Advertising.

Adweek identified Y&R and Mediacom as among the agencies who won the assignment but noted that a source identified it as part of a larger WPP pitch in line with the kind of dedicated units the holding company has formed for clients such as Ford, Target and Bose.

Office Depot moved its creative and media accounts to Zimmerman without a review about a year ago. The chain had worked with IPG agencies McCann New York and UM since 2014. Zimmerman formerly handled the brand’s creative account, beginning in 2011. Last summer Zimmerman launched a campaign for Office Depot reviving the 1974 Bachman-Turner Overdrive song “Takin’ Care of Business” as the brand’s theme song.

Office Depot spent over $62 million on measured media in 2016 and $47 million in the first nine months of last year, according to Kantar Media. That’s down significantly from the over $100 million the chain is estimated to have spent yearly when McCann won the account in 2014.

MullenLowe Breaks Up With Hyatt After 2 Years

Is your agency in the market for another hospitality client?

This morning Adweek reported that MullenLowe has ended its relationship with Hyatt after approximately two years due to “creative and financial differences.”

It’s the most recent in a series of changes at the hotel company, which announced approximately three weeks ago that it would be eliminating the global CMO and global head of capital strategy, franchising and select service positions on its executive board in favor of a single chief commercial officer who will oversee various operations including global marketing.

According to at least three sources familiar with the business, Hyatt has launched a global creative review seeking one agency to promote all 12 of its brands.

We unfortunately don’t have much information about the RFP so far in terms of competitors or specifics, but it does appear to be creative only, unlike the 2016 review that saw the client consolidate global creative with MullenLowe and assign its PR and social media business to other shops.

Kantar Media has Hyatt spending $35 million in 2016 and more than $20 million last year, and we hear almost all of that paid media was in the U.S. market. But the client has not launched any major campaigns since last February, and others tell us the number may be closer to $10 million.

All of the involved parties declined to comment on the record. Good luck.

Adobe Selects Wavemaker as U.S. Media Agency of Record

Adobe appointed GroupM media, content and technology agency Wavemaker as its U.S. media agency of record, following a review launched in October. 

Wavemaker (which is the product of last year’s MEC/Maxus merger) will be tasked with handling media buying and planning in the U.S. across Adobe’s Clouds: Creative, Experience and Document products. Adobe spent around $55 million on measured media domestically in 2016 and $27 million in the first half of 2017, according to Kantar Media.Wavemaker already handled media buying and planning for Adobe in Europe out of its Switzerland office.

“We are excited to leverage Wavemaker’s innovation and expertise, especially their leadership in using Adobe Experience Cloud. It’s going to be a fantastic partnership in support of Adobe’s US marketing efforts,” Adobe head of U.S. media strategy and planning Steve Weeks said in a statement.

“We are thrilled to grow our partnership with Adobe here in the US. They have been at the forefront of our industry’s transformation and we are excited to bring our data-led, consumer journey approach to growing their business,” added Wavemaker U.S. CEO Amanda Richman.

Adobe’s creative account was not part of the review and remains with GS&P.

BIC Names Merkley + Partners as U.S. Media Agency of Record

Shelton, Connecticut-headquartered BIC has selected New York-based Merkley+Partners as its U.S. media agency of record.

BIC spent over $9.8 million on measured media in 2016, according to Kantar Media.

Merkley+Partners will be tasked with media buying and planning in the U.S. across BIC’s lighter, stationary and women’s shaver brands, tasked with handling media across channels with a particular focus on data-based digital and social strategies.

“We are excited to partner with Merkley,” BIC vice president, marketing, North America Ross Ullman said in a statement. “We believe their focus on media efficiency and expertise in digital delivery solutions will have a significant impact on the effectiveness and ROI of our marketing campaigns.”

“BIC is truly an iconic brand that’s been a category leader for over 60 years,” Merkley+Partners CEO Alex Gellert. “We couldn’t be more excited to partner with an organization that has such a storied past and such a bright future.”

The news follows fast food chain White Castle consolidating its creative with account with Merkley+Partners last month, after assigning the agency the retail portion of the account last July.

The New York Times to Continue Working with Droga5 After Ted Royer’s Firing

The New York Times confirmed yesterday that it will retain the services of its creative agency Droga5 after news broke that chief creative officer Ted Royer had been placed on leave and then fired.

Yesterday evening, the paper itself reported on Royer’s departure, citing Adweek’s coverage of his exit and noting that the agency had alerted Times’ leadership to these developments. It included the following quote from an NYT spokesperson:

“As we have seen repeatedly, the issue of appropriate workplace conduct has impacted most industries and we were very concerned when Droga let us know this news. Based on what we know now, we’re comfortable continuing to work with our team there.”

The piece by Times advertising reporter Sapna Maheshwari also referenced “nonspecific official statements” released by several agencies to accompany recent news of departing executives such as The Martin Agency’s Joe Alexander, Wieden + Kennedy’s Paul Colman and Publicis Seattle’s Andrew Christou.

Droga5 told Adweek on Tuesday that it had hired an outside firm to conduct an investigation of Royer, and an internal email from CEO Sarah Thompson later alluded to this claim. An agency spokesperson declined to share any information about the firm it reportedly hired with Adweek or The New York Times, adding, “This is a legal matter now.”

David Droga also spoke to the NYT yesterday, stating that the reported investigation was part of an effort to “understand what’s really going on.” It is unclear whether this investigation is ongoing.

The news comes days after the agency released the latest spot in its signature New York Times campaign “The Truth Is Hard.” This ad concerns the Times’ reporting on the NFL’s concussion crisis.

Jack Link’s Launches Creative Review with Incumbent Carmichael Lynch Sitting Out

Jack Link’s has launched a review of its creative account.

“Across all of our business units, we routinely conduct evaluations to ensure we have the right strategic and executional partners. At this time, we’ve decided to evaluate our creative partnerships,” a company spokesperson said in a statement. “We’ve enlisted Pile, an agency search consulting firm, that will strategically guide and manage the search process. Our current AOR, Carmichael Lynch, will be invited to participate in the process as well.”

Incumbent Carmichael Lynch has confirmed it is is not participating in the formal review as conducted by Pile, but is continuing to work with the brand during the process.

“We’re proud of our 13-year partnership with Jack Link’s and the brand we’ve built together, resulting in a household name and the No. 1 snack in convenience stores nationwide,” a spokesperson for Carmichael Lynch said in a statement. “We’ve declined to participate in the formal review process and continue to focus on the work at-hand and launching our newest campaign together.”

While the agency is not part of the review process, it seems that Jack Link’s is evaluating the agency on its recent and current work for the brand and has not ruled out the possibility of working with Carmichael Lynch in some capacity in the future.

“They are being evaluated and considered in the overall process, however they are not participating in the official Pile process. Instead they will be evaluated on current and ongoing work,” a Jack Link’s spokesperson explained.

Jack Link’s spent around $9.1 million in 2016 and over $10.7 million in the fist nine months of last year, according to Kantar Media.

Carmichael Lynch’s recent work for the brand includes a regional Super Bowl ad and a September campaign featuring NFL stars Clay Matthews and Odell Beckham Jr. which followed the previous year’s “Workin’ Out With Sasquatch” campaign. The agency’s branded content extension with Inside the NBA was named to Adweek’s 2017 Media Plan of the Year list.

Avocados from Mexico Puts Its Account in Review Ahead of 4th Straight Super Bowl Campaign

Avocados from Mexico, the not-for-profit marketing arm of Mexican Hass Avocados Importers Association (MHAIA) and The Association of Growers and Packers of Avocados From Mexico (APEAM), has placed its creative advertising business in review, according to sources close to the matter.

The RFP went out in recent weeks, and the first round of agencies has been chosen to compete for the account. We do not currently have the full list of shops involved.

The organization formed in 2013 to promote avocado consumption among the general market, Hispanic market, food service, and retail segments. It picked Arnold over Grey and BBDO as its first agency partner in May of that year after 52 agencies submitted pitches.

The business later went to Omnicom’s GSD&M in 2015, which created the brand’s first Super Bowl spot that year after a review that was not publicized at the time. Avocados has run an ad in the Big Game each year since then, with last year’s edition starring Jon Lovitz and this year’s featuring Chris Elliott.

It is unclear whether the incumbent will defend.

A GSD&M spokesperson deferred to the client, which declined to comment by way of its PR firm. Select Resources International, the agency search consultancy reportedly managing the review, has not yet provided a statement or confirmation.

Kantar Media’s latest numbers have Avocados from Mexico spending $20 million on paid media last year and $12.6 million during the first 9 months of 2017.

CP+B Wins AB InBev’s Craft Beer Brand Goose Island After a Review

CP+B has won creative duties for Goose Island Brewery, which became one of AB InBev’s first craft acquisitions back in 2011.

The agency first tweeted about their new partnership last week, and the client confirmed the assignment today.

“Goose Island set out to find a creative partner that can help us translate a 30-year craft brewing legacy into big ideas that are relevant and disruptive. We’re confident CP+B will help us realize our goal of getting America some damn fine beer as we look ahead to our next 30,” Goose Island Beer Co. president Todd Ahsmann said in a statement.

“We’re excited to partner with Goose Island, a brand always on the forefront of the American craft beer movement that continuously and passionately reinvents the category,” added CP+B global chief creative officer Linus Karlsson. “We’re equally as passionate thinking big for the brand and the journey ahead.”

Chicago-based VSA Partners won advertising, branding and packaging responsibilities for Goose Island in early 2014 and launched the brand’s first national campaign, entitled “To What’s Next.” A recent stunt by the brand saw Goose Island president Todd Ahsmann and co-founder Greg Hall pitch a Super Bowl ad idea to AB InBev’s marketing team.

Goose Island spent nearly $13.2 million on measured marketing in 2016 and over $7 million in the first six months of 2017, according to Kantar Media.

Dietz & Watson Names RTO+P as AOR

Philadelphia-based deli manufacturer Dietz & Watson named hometown agency Red Tettemer O’Connell + Partners (RTO+P) as its agency of record, following a review.

RTO+P will be tasked with handling national, regional and local advertising for the brand across all media, including broadcast, digital, social media, radio, print, OOH and in-store, as well as media buying and planning. The assignment is effective immediately and the agency’s first work for Dietz & Watson is expected in April.

“We’re really excited to work with Dietz & Watson as the company looks to expand its footprint and continue to evolve,” RTO+P founder and CCO Steve Red said in a statement. “After 78 years, Dietz & Watson remains a 4th generation family business, made up of people who are almost obsessively passionate about the products they sell every day. But there’s nothing ‘old school’ about the brand; they pride themselves on being pioneers and innovators, embracing change and relentlessly charging toward what’s next. We love that juxtaposition of rich history and progressive attitude.”

“RTO+P has a track record of delivering memorable creative and successful media strategy for food and beverage brands,” added Dietz & Watson vice president, brand strategy Lauren Eni. “That history and capability, coupled with our shared Philadelphia roots, made the decision to pursue this partnership a no-brainer.”

Last summer, RTO+P launched the first national campaign for Halo Top, which recently selected Wolfgang as its agency of record. Other food and beverage brands the agency has worked with include Reyka Vodka, MorningStar Farms, Chronic Tacos and Peach Street Distillers.

Domino’s Names The Community as U.S. Hispanic AOR

Domino’s has appointed The Community as its U.S. Hispanic agency of record, following a review.

The Community will be tasked with creating campaigns encompassing traditional, social, digital, and mobile advertising for the U.S. Hispanic market. Its first work is expected to launch in mid-2018.

We sought a collaborative creative partner that would help us continue to elevate our brand with the influential Hispanic community,” Domino’s vice president, advertising Karen Kaiser said in a statement. “The Community’s combination of strategic thinking, creative bravery, and passion for our brand is what differentiated them from other agencies.”

“Domino’s is not only a class leading brand but also a company that truly sees and understands the importance of the Hispanic consumer,” The Community president Luis Montero added. “Our mission is to leverage our progressive multicultural approach to help Domino’s become the dominant No. 1 pizza brand in every Hispanic neighborhood and we couldn’t be more excited about our collaboration.”

We Hear: Expedia Splits with 180LA After 6 Years in Global Consolidation Move

180LA has lost the Expedia account after almost 6 years, according to several parties familiar with the agency’s business.

Recent reports are in keeping with this claim: just over a week ago, news broke that the travel company had consolidated all five of its global accounts with Saatchi & Saatchi after a three month review that our sources claim ended in early January. Those reports do not mention 180LA but do note that Team One will be working on “creative development, brand strategy and execution” in Los Angeles.

It would seem, given the timeline, that 180LA lasted until the final round of the review. But that’s not clear from the official statements.

In early 2012, 180LA beat out GS&P and Creature for the account, which had been with The Martin Agency for three years. It went on to create a wide range of work from the debut UGC campaign “Find Yours” to a VR project with St. Jude’s Hospital and the interactive “Visit Britain,” which won Gold and Bronze Lions at Cannes last year.

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We have reached out to both 180LA and Expedia this week. The former deferred to the client and the latter has yet to provide a statement.

Recent spending totals for Expedia are not available at this time. The company has long maintained its own in-house agency, Expedia Media Solutions, that offers services to third party brands and stretches across all associated properties like Hotels.com, Orbitz and Travelocity.

We Hear: McCann Eliminated From ALDI U.S. Review

ALDI is in the midst of a review of its U.S. account and incumbent McCann Detroit has been eliminated in the process, according to sources with direct knowledge of the matter. Sources claim Leo Burnett is among the finalists in the review.

McCann declined to comment. ALDI U.S. has yet to provide a statement as of publication time.

ALDI spent just over $51 million on measured media in the U.S. in 2016 and $40 million in the first six months of 2017, according to Kantar Media.

ALDI named McCann as lead agency for its U.S. account back in 2009. The agency brought on Gary Holme as senior vice president and creative director on the account in 2015, but he appears to have left the agency a year and a half later.

McCann Manchester has long handled ALDI’s advertising in the U.K. and retained the account following a review in 2016 which included Mother, JWT, M&C Saatchi, and  Havas. In 2015, McCann Worldgroup Germany was named AOR for ALDI Nord.

Patrick Coffee contributed reporting to this story.

Hill Holliday Apologizes for Party City Ad That Upset Consumers with Gluten Sensitivities

In case you missed it, the first Super Bowl-themed* ad controversy went down this week.

Yesterday, Party City pulled a spot that upset some members of the gluten-free community. Both the company and its creative agency, Hill Holliday, quickly issued apologies and countered the outrage on social media.

The ad starred two women attending a Super Bowl party and standing in front of an “inflatable snack stadium.” One notes “some gluten-free options,” leading the other to ask, “Do we even know people that are like that?” The first woman’s one-word answer, “Tina,” inspires an “Oh, gross, yeah,” response.

Viewers quickly created the #IAmTina hashtag, calling out both brand and agency for insensitivity to the very real population suffering from Celiac Disease and other dietary sensitivities that limit one’s ability to consume breads and related products.

Party City responded with an Instagram post apologizing and clarifying that celebrity Sunny Anderson was not involved in the campaign.

Many did not like the implication that they might be “gross.”

And at least one of those people works in advertising. Here’s Rob Bloom, creative director at Orlando agency &Barr:

As you can see, he addressed the agency directly—and their social media manager responded.

Hill Holliday later wrote, “Party City will be making a donation in support of Celiac disease research.”

A HH spokesperson confirmed today that the agency and its client responded to complaints from gluten-free viewers by pulling the spot, as noted in the tweets and Instagram post above.

Some seemed to take issue with the phrase “food allergies,” as Celiac is an autoimmune disease. According to the Celiac Disease Foundation, 1 in 100 people have inherited resistance to gluten. Interest in gluten-free diets has also been growing in recent years, with 30 percent of respondents saying such a lifestyle appeals to them.

*Not a Super Bowl ad. A Super Bowl-THEMED ad.

Lowe’s Enters Final Stage of 3-Part Regional Creative Review

In December, home improvement giant Lowe’s confirmed that it would be the latest retailer to break with tradition in abandoning the traditional agency of record model.

That news came in the form of a creative review that launched after Lowe’s parted with its CMO and moved its media buying business from OMD to Starcom, thereby ending an exclusive 12-year relationship with Omnicom.

This review, however, is unique in several ways.

Lowe’s is hardly the first client eager to keep its options open on the agency front. But according to three parties with direct knowledge of the matter, the current review is organized by region, with three separate pitches involving agencies in the Northeast, Southeast and Midwest portions of the United States. (Lowe’s is based in Mooresville, North Carolina.)

Each pitch involves three finalists competing to be Lowe’s creative agency for their respective regions. Our sources say the process is now in its last stages, with final presentations occurring last week.

Moving forward, Lowe’s will retain all three winners, maintaining the equivalent of an open-format business relationship with each. In other words, the different shops could simultaneously work on different and potentially complimentary projects. According to our sources, major projects will also follow a “jump ball” round in which the three agencies will pitch against one another.

All factors strongly indicate that spending concerns helped shape this approach, with earlier reports stating that Lowe’s looks to move away from major TV and print work in order to focus more heavily on digital campaigns.

But this not a standard consolidation effort in which a major client moves all work to a single holding group. When news of the review first broke, a BBDO representative confirmed that the agency would be defending its business. According to our sources, IPG’s Ep.+Co, sister agency to Hill Holliday, is also competing in the Southeastern pitch.

A BBDO representative deferred to the client for further comment, and an Ep+Co. spokesperson declined to comment. Lowe’s also declined to elaborate on the review, and the full list of agencies involved is unclear at this time.

All of our sources, however, agree that the winners should be announced in coming weeks.

Armed Forces Insurance Names DEG as Agency of Record

Armed Forces Insurance (AFI) has selected full-service digital agency DEG as its agency of record, following a review.

DEG will be tasked with handling creative, strategy and execution on marketing initiatives for the insurance provider for military professionals. The agency began partnering with AFI on website and email services i n2009. AFI spent almost $4.2 million on measured marketing in 2016 and over $3.4 million in the first six months of 2017, according to Kantar Media.

“Armed Forces Insurance’s top priority is the interests and well-being of our members. DEG’s customer-centric approach and strategies align with our own, and we look forward to finding innovative ways to enhance that experience in this new phase of our partnership,” AFI CMO Lori Simmons said in a statement.

“Armed Forces Insurance has a rich history of member engagement, which we have witnessed first-hand as a long-time agency partner,” added DEG director of client services Joey Barnes. “We are thrilled to be able to utilize the breadth of our services to further engage and grow AFI’s customer base.”

Orbitz Appoints Havas Chicago as Creative AOR

Expedia-owned online travel brand Orbitz selected Havas Chicago as its creative agency of record, following a review which included over ten agencies. Havas will be tasked with creative, digital and social responsibilities.

Orbitzand more than $15 million in the first six months of 2017, according to Kantar Media.

“Beyond the extensive capabilities Havas Chicago brings to the table, they demonstrated a clear understanding of our needs and positioning in a cluttered industry,” Orbitz brand marketing director Carey Malloy said in a statement. “It was like a first date, where both sides just clicked. Havas Chicago delivered on values, transparency and energy that are all similar in our brand philosophy.”

“Cultural relevance isn’t something you can fake,” added Havas Chicago president and chief client officer  Tatia Torrey. “Our approach is deeply rooted in contemporary culture which allows us to be the best partner to brands like Orbitz – a brand that is looking to re-energize its connection with travel consumers. We consistently remain at the forefront of trends, making culture rather than borrowing from it, and we look forward to bringing this value to Orbitz.”

White Castle Consolidates Creative with Merkley+Partners

The country’s oldest burger chain has consolidated its creative account with Merkley+Partners.

White Castle selected Merkley+Partners as its new creative agency of record without a review after assigning the retail portion of its creative account to the agency last July. Resource/Ammirati formerly handled the fast food portion of the account, after being selected as agency of record following the brand’s last review in 2014, replacing Zimmerman Advertising. Crossmedia New York continues to handle media buying and planning for White Castle.

White Castle spent around $7.8 million on measured media in 2016 and $7.6 million in the first six months of 2016, according to Kantar Media.

“Certainly, there are efficiencies by consolidating our business with one agency. However, having worked with Merkley for some time now, what really excites us are the ideas and energy we know they will bring to our communications with our consumers, also known as ‘Craver Nation’,” White Castle CMO Kim Bartley said in a statement.

“Expanding our relationship with White Castle satisfies a craving we’ve had for some time now,” added White Castle CEO Alex Gellert. “It makes us very proud to be awarded additional assignments from clients that you already know, respect and really enjoy working with.”